Fasten your seat belts! 4
By:BrassTacks
Date: Thursday, 26 March 2009, 10:44 am
1365 days left for Age of Transition to begin!
Fasten your seat belts!
Lawyers’ Movement - The other side of story (Must Read)
We must see what Pakistan has achieved so far and what has been lost after the campaign of lawyers. Unfortunately, it seems that we have lost everything, and achieved nothing. Pakistan’s Economy is out of business now. Pakistan is now on the list of most insecure countries. Pakistan’s institutions are breaking up. Rotten politicians are back on stage. Most corrupt and incompetent leadership is on the charge of government. Pakistan’s armed forces and intelligence services are maligned nationally and internationally. Pakistan’s nuclear status is at stake. What more wrong and what more horrible can be expected.
Read more: http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/lawyers-movement-the-other-side-of-story-must-read/
The ‘Judge’ Story: It’s A Bigger Mess
The contention that a judge who stands up to a ruler and refuses to resign is washed of all his sins is as lame as a three-legged horse. All PCO judges are the same. Chaudhry Iftikhar can’t be absolved of PCO just because he said no to a dictator when his job was on the line. If he really had a reawakening, why didn’t he say no earlier while taking oath on PCO? Clearly, Kayani is the most powerful Pakistani. Most embarrassingly clear is that it is America that really runs Pakistan. Its clear too that its agents and stooges have delivered and delivered admirably by getting rid of Musharraf who had drawn a line in the sand which he would not allow America to cross. That line has now been obliterated.
Read more: http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/the-judge-story-its-a-bigger-mess/
Afghanistan: US, NATO Wage World’s Largest and Longest War
Afghanistan has been hurled into interminable turmoil, with hundreds of thousands of its citizens displaced; almost daily bombing runs, drone missile attacks, middle-of-the-night commando raids, indiscriminate shooting of civilians at checkpoints; mass-scale drought and famine; an explosion of opium cultivation and trafficking; expansion of that destabilization by setting Pakistan aflame with the potential for its fragmentation and dismemberment and heightened tensions with its - fellow nuclear - neighbor India.This is the current, grave situation seven and a half years after the invasion of Afghanistan.
Read more: http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/03/26/afghanistan-us-nato-wage-worlds-largest-and-longest-war/
Video: Pakistan, Ek Ishq, Ek Junoon - by Zaid Hamid
A Must watch discussion for all Pakistanis.
Watch: http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/video-pakistan-ek-ishq-ek-junoon-by-zaid-hamid/
Obama And The Neocon Middle East War Agenda
And Obama would undoubtedly be pushed in this belligerent direction by the neoconservatives outside his administration and the hawks within, as well as by Congress under the sway of the Israel Lobby. Given Obama’s record so far, it seems highly unlikely that he would resist. American hardline policies such as a naval blockade or the bombing of Iranian nuclear facilities would inevitably spiral into a full-scale war.
Read more: http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/obama-and-the-neocon-middle-east-war-agenda/
Russia’s New Model Army - The Bear is back!
THE BEAR is back and this time the bellicose beast means business. In one of the most decisive foreign policy initiatives of his presidency, Russia’s leader, Dmitry Medvedev, took off his gloves last week and announced a comprehensive plan to modernise and rearm his country’s armed forces and reclaim its position as a global power.Stung by Nato’s enlargement eastwards towards Russia’s borders and angered by the US decision to site missile defences in eastern Europe, Medvedev has retaliated by announcing a budget equivalent to £30 billion for weapons purchases this year, including the creation of a new strategic nuclear fleet, and a top-to bottom restructuring of the country’s armed forces.
Read more: http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/russias-new-model-army-the-bear-is-back/
Video: WMD Attack Protection Bunkers and Bunker Busters
A small collection of videos and documentaries explaining the importance of WMD protection Bunkers for Civilians and the weapons made to destroy such bunkers.
Watch: http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/video-wmd-attack-protection-bunkers-and-bunker-busters/
List: CIA Proprietary Agencies Worldwide
Herewith a listing of what are called ‘proprietary agencies’ or, more to the point, front groups, for our official state torturers and rendition water boarders. This is not a complete listing by any means but all beginnings are difficult. Under international law, it is illegal to torture people but the Bush people had no interest in international law.
Read more: http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/list-cia-proprietary-agencies-worldwide/
US journalists accused of espionage
North Korean intelligence officials are questioning the two US journalists detained on the border with China on charge of espionage.
Read more: http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/us-journalists-accused-of-espionage/
US 2010 apocalypse avoidable: Scholar
Former KGB analyst and Russian academic Igor Panarin, who has predicted the country’s 2010 disintegration on the back of mass immigration, economic decline, and moral degradation, insisted in a Monday interview that a revisited foreign policy may more than anything prevent the fall of the United States.
Read more: http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/03/26/us-2010-apocalypse-avoidable-scholar/
Obama And His Dick Cheney
Here’s how well they have us trained: The powers that be are no longer gonna call the illegally detained terrorism suspects [sic] by the name of “enemy combatants.†Like the pre-programmed robots we’ve all become, we’ll celebrate this as a welcome and much-needed change from the reviled Bush-Cheney administration. A step in the right direction, we might even say.
Read more: http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/obama-and-his-dick-cheney/
The Real US Financial Crisis Has Yet To Begin
The size of the US financial bubble that has gone bust is so large that it is impossible to quantify the losses due to the lack of transparency. The US banks, backed by the power of the Federal Reserve to issue paper currency without any limit, had over the past several decades gone global in raising money, issuing debts and all kinds of instruments in their proprietary trading and investment. They had several dozen times over-leveraged their capital. Wall Street and US banks’ easy money, fueled by a low interest-rate policy during the Greenspan era, created a bubble economy.
Read more: http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/03/24/the-real-us-financial-crisis-has-yet-to-begin/
Total Meltdown and Civil Unrest
You can bet your last dollar that when millions are caught in the debt trap and there is no way out, and they see billions been given to the Wall Street fat cats, lynching parties will be the order of the day! The Count Down has started.
Read more: http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/03/26/total-meltdown-and-civil-unrest/
World Bank: 2009 is going to be a very dangerous year
“2009 is going to be a very dangerous year,†World Bank’s President Robert Zoellick said. “It is indeed serious, and there are issues that go beyond the economic to political and social stability.â€
Read more: http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/world-bank-2009-is-going-to-be-a-very-dangerous-year/
Japan registers record fall in exports
Japanese exports almost halved in February when compared to the same month last year, making it likely that the world’s second-largest economy will shrink in the current quarter.
Read more: http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/japan-registers-record-fall-in-exports/
Video: George Bush invades Canada
An animated rebuttal to the illegal entry into Canada of former US President and current War Criminal on the lam, George W. Bush.
Watch: http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/video-george-bush-invades-canada/
In Pictures: NEW YORK JEWS TELL ‘WHY ZIONISM HAS BECOME A DIRTY WORD’
Foxman speaks and Jews protest! The theme of his speech was ‘Why Zionism has become a dirty word’...... the protesters gave the answer!
Read more: http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/in-pictures-new-york-jews-tell-why-zionism-has-become-a-dirty-word/
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Re: Creation of Two stickies at ourbeacon forum
Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:06 PM
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Dear Bhai Jee, I was not able to post it in the past. It requires administrator/moderators password and we discussed that. I do not know how Abdun Nur will be able to post either?
Badar
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 1:50 PM, SHABBIR AHMED <drshabbir@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Dear Sir Badar Bhai Jee,
Kindly try to post this. I could not. Brother Abdun Nur could do it.
www.ourbeacon.com
www.youtube.com/DrShabbir1
http://www.ourbeacon.com/cgi-bin/bbs60x/webbbs_config.pl?
--- On Thu, 8/20/09, Badar Kanwar <badar.kanwar2@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Badar Kanwar <badar.kanwar2@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Creation of Two stickies at ourbeacon forum
To: "SHABBIR AHMED" <drshabbir@bellsouth.net>
Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 11:35 AM
Muhtaram Bhai Jee, AA. Here is some more to post.
Al-kauthar
(Historically: The Most Abundant Good.)
Surah 108: 1 Ø¥Ùنَّا أَعْطَيْنَاكَ الْكَوْثَرَ
Surely, I ask you to participate in my perpetual act of giving, which is liberal and generous. Become the burning wick that is placed on a stand (the wick of a lamp, or a candle, pulls the fuel to the flame through a capillary action. The perpetual fuel is giving of yourself, together with life experience and comprehension of the Qur'an; physically apply this concept of the universal nourishing, by the establishing of service to humanity and all creation, so you become a burning light, drawing power from this action, a power building upon itself, which is on public display to illuminate the way for others to emulate): a pleasure and delight for your deep inner self. (Soul, or true essence.)
Surah 108: 2 ÙَصَلÙÙ‘ Ù„ÙرَبÙّكَ وَانْØَرْ
This perpetual inner capacity, from one rearing, fostering, and nourishing you, is to separate amongst you, masters of learning and knowledge, from ones who are habitually careless.
Surah 108: 3 Ø¥Ùنَّ شَانÙئَكَ Ù‡ÙÙˆÙŽ الْأَبْتَرÙ
Without doubt, for you it is a great state, a manner of existence that results in permanence; for ones aspiring and ambitious for it. The ones who sever ties with this concept, will exist like slaves!
Abdun Nur
http://servantofthelight.com/content/view/95/126/
Badar
2009/8/6 Badar Kanwar <badar.kanwar2@gmail.com>
Muhtaram Bhai Jee, Thanks. I will email you more to post. No desire at all for an honor from mortals. Only wish and desire is two words of appreciation from only immortal, my Rubb, if and when we meet.
Badar
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:10 PM, SHABBIR AHMED <drshabbir@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Muhtaram Bhai Jee,
I will follow your instructions after checking with Ashi this evening.
Oh, she is here and says that your observation is correct.
You said right. My name makes things more acceptable for people at this time. Soon they will come to honor your name as well. That's what we want.
:-)
www.ourbeacon.com
www.youtube.com/DrShabbir1
http://www.ourbeacon.com/cgi-bin/bbs60x/webbbs_config.pl?
--- On Thu, 8/6/09, Badar Kanwar <badar.kanwar2@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Badar Kanwar <badar.kanwar2@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Creation of Two stickies at ourbeacon forum
To: "SHABBIR AHMED" <drshabbir@bellsouth.net>
Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 12:23 PM
Mutharam Bhai Shaib, I tried posting some more translation to the sticky. I get a message only moderator can post here. Is there anyway for me to post? Or shall keep sending it to you?
Badar
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:46 PM, SHABBIR AHMED <drshabbir@bellsouth.net> wrote:
OK, respected Bhai Saheb!
When I post it, it will show my name. When you post it, it will show yours.
Anyhow, I am doing it right now. Brother Abdun Nur is a brilliant, gifted gentleman.
May Allah increase us in knowledge!
SA
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--- On Mon, 8/3/09, Badar Kanwar <badar.kanwar2@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Badar Kanwar <badar.kanwar2@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Creation of Two stickies at ourbeacon forum
To: "SHABBIR AHMED" <drshabbir@bellsouth.net>
Cc: "Khalid Naseer" <khalidnaseer1@gmail.com>, abdun@hotmail.co.uk
Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 11:43 AM
Thanks Muhtaram Bhai Gee. I missed it, likely because it is under your name. Which is good and even better. Could you please create another one with just the heading "Critique methodology Abdun Nur/Badar Kanwar". This is in order to keep two separate. We would continue to add translations to first one. However, if people want to discuss the translation methodolgy, they would not clutter the area dedicated to translation.
Badar
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:17 AM, SHABBIR AHMED <drshabbir@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Muhtaram Bhai Gee,
Here it is:
http://ourbeacon.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1737
Abdun Nur / Badar Kanwar
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Linguistic understanding of Al-Qur’an
second title/heading
Discussion/critique of linguistic understanding of Al-Qur'an
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Linguistic understanding of Al-Qur’an
The true purpose of the broad message in Al Qur’an, being the same message expressed within the original accounts of preceding scriptures, was to liberate humans from all oppressions, including mental oppression.
Our Creator communicates with us, and want us to be able to transform ourselves and those around us from state to state, through the following of those direct communication, presenting Allah’s guiding principles, comprehensively detailed within the Qur‘an.
However, throughout human history; people have ignored truth, suffering, exploitation, and actively want to create barriers between all human beings, for their own selfish advantage, so to this end, confusing the truths of the Creator, for the sake of their own power and status, to dominate those around them.
In early human history, the only form of communication, and so transfer of information, was through oral traditions. Speech can be understood as sound symbols representing the transfer of knowledge. However, the sound of spoken word dies as soon as they have been uttered. Hence, verbal communication is subject to alteration and can never be reliable.
Later on humans learned to preserve sound symbols on paper in the form script, so it became less likely that the scripted messages would alter. However, revision, corruptions and additions transformed scriptures over time, as the powerful use their influence and positions of trust.
This direct revision could not be employed against the Qur’an, so a new route had to be established.
It is a natural phenomenon that all spoken language changes over time, so the people who want to continue their oppressive control can capitalize on this phenomenon. This may occur, deliberately or subtly, without most people realizing it.
This slow transformation happened to the original Qur’anic Arabic language, the original spoken Quran, from the tongue of the Rasul into the established script technique of that time.
Natural changes in language, both intentional and unintentional, and rapid expansion of the message beyond the boundaries of Mekkah and Medina, in whose language the verbal message’s source scripture was preserved, made it difficult to conserve the exact meanings depicted in the script, and gradually the message was degraded, until finally lost again.
Luckily, the original script is preserved, and the rules and meanings of the script and writing techniques were well preserved by great Arabic scholars, and later translated by great linguists from Arabic to other languages. These Arabic books and translations have been greatly ignored, or more significantly, have been out of the reach of most common people.
Recent, with the explosion of communication tools in the form of electronic media and internet has put these books again in the hands of common people. These common people can potentially get back to the real message, by utilising these tools.
The original Qur’anic Arabic can be studied as a scientific discipline, when the correct rules are applied to Quranic text, these principles bring forth an understanding, completely different from the conventional one. Like any other old script, one has to go back in time to understand the writing technique used at the time, so uncover the real message preserved by original scribes.
Following are only some of the reasons to look at the script in a scientific manner.
It is hard to believe that meanings rendered are completely error free, otherwise we would have had no discrepancy.
The language is corrupted/changed naturally or deliberately through rational phenomenon of language evolution, and so requires a comprehensive re-evaluation to uncover real meanings of the message. Self evidently, a collective effort would be better and more fruitful than an individual effort.
It is always helpful to keep an mind open to dissenters, this helps to avoid exchanging one corruption for just another’s preconceived notions.
By diversifying the group one can use group wisdom, a very powerful tool.
Using an open internet model helps to keep individual anonymity, if they desire, but still contribute in a positive manner.
Therefore, it was requested to Respected Dr. Shabbir, that we use the great platform of ourbeacon.com, to launch this unbiased, scientific and linguistic understanding of this greatest message of all time.
Two sticky links are being created on this site. One for open discussion using scientific tools, and other one to compose the translation which will continue to evolve with the help of all contributors: who are willing to spend time utilizing all the scientific tools, without getting stuck to the presumed meanings? It is hoped that this method will lead to a common understanding based on research and confirmations, a real means of acquiring knowledge and belief.
A mirror image of this whole project will be maintained at http://servantofthelight.com/
Nothing could be more convincing than an example.
بÙسْم٠اللَّه٠الرَّØْمَن٠الرَّØÙيمÙ
A foundation (a heart, Arabs used to believe as first part that comes into existence in womb) for mankind, from one who is not your illah. The ample and easy state of life that mankind can not conceive by themselves, from your sustainer and maintainer. The greatest mercy: from him.
الْØَمْد٠لÙلَّه٠رَبÙÙ‘ الْعَالَمÙينَ
The decree: for all width and breath of land, on account of one who is not your illah. One rearing, fostering, nourishing and accomplishing all created beings, capable of acquiring knowledge.
الرَّØْمَن٠الرَّØÙيمÙ
The ample and easy state of life, that mankind can not think by themselves, from your sustainer and maintainer. The greatest mercy: from him.
مَالÙك٠يَوْم٠الدÙّين
This greatest mercy of his shall possess any era that shall have laws and principles of this Qur’an as its ultimate constitution.
Ø¥Ùيَّاكَ نَعْبÙد٠وَإÙيَّاكَ نَسْتَعÙينÙ
I direct myself to show ultimate and sole devotion to this constitution and in addition to directing myself, shall direct all created beings to this as it is prescribed for all.
اهْدÙنَا الصÙّرَاطَ الْمÙسْتَقÙيمَ
This will guide you to the way which is original and most straight, undeviating and unceasing.
صÙرَاطَ الَّذÙينَ أَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهÙمْ غَيْر٠الْمَغْضÙوب٠عَلَيْهÙمْ ÙˆÙŽ
لا الضَّالÙّينَ
This original way will make your life easy and pleasant. I have set a banner and a standard for you to avoid irreparable damage to yourselves, and so be not confounded and perplexed, unable to see the right course.
Abdun Nur
Badar Kanwar
www.ourbeacon.com
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--- On Sun, 8/2/09, Badar Kanwar <badar.kanwar2@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Badar Kanwar <badar.kanwar2@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Creation of Two stickies at ourbeacon forum
To: "SHABBIR AHMED" <drshabbir@bellsouth.net>
Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 1:46 PM
Muhtaram Bhai Gee, I replied before checking the forum. However, I am unable to find on either forums at ourbeacon site.
Badar
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Badar Kanwar <badar.kanwar2@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Bhahi Gee, may Rubb give appropriate reward to you for your intended efforts. Indeed he is, certainly more than me. In addition his intentions so far are unquestionable, a rare combination.
Badar
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:32 PM, SHABBIR AHMED <drshabbir@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Bhai Jee Muhtaram,
Done!
Isn't Abdun Nur a genius?
SA
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--- On Mon, 7/27/09, Badar Kanwar <badar.kanwar2@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Badar Kanwar <badar.kanwar2@gmail.com>
Subject: Creation of Two stickies at ourbeacon forum
To: drshabbir@bellsouth.net
Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 2:45 PM
Muthram Bhai Gee Salaam.
Attached is a write up for one sticky. Heading
Linguistic understanding of Al-Qur’an
second title/heading
Discussion/critique of linguistic understanding of Al-Qur'an
Please create a second stick with above heading only so participants can comments. I will keep adding to Al-Fathia further Suras as I understand time permits. Until you are able to join hand to give it a turbo charge.
May Rubb bless you more and give strength to continue in the cause further.
Your brother,
Badar
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Re: Creation of Two stickies at ourbeacon forum
Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:06 PM
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Dear Bhai Jee, I was not able to post it in the past. It requires administrator/moderators password and we discussed that. I do not know how Abdun Nur will be able to post either?
Badar
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 1:50 PM, SHABBIR AHMED <drshabbir@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Dear Sir Badar Bhai Jee,
Kindly try to post this. I could not. Brother Abdun Nur could do it.
www.ourbeacon.com
www.youtube.com/DrShabbir1
http://www.ourbeacon.com/cgi-bin/bbs60x/webbbs_config.pl?
--- On Thu, 8/20/09, Badar Kanwar <badar.kanwar2@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Badar Kanwar <badar.kanwar2@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Creation of Two stickies at ourbeacon forum
To: "SHABBIR AHMED" <drshabbir@bellsouth.net>
Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 11:35 AM
Muhtaram Bhai Jee, AA. Here is some more to post.
Al-kauthar
(Historically: The Most Abundant Good.)
Surah 108: 1 Ø¥Ùنَّا أَعْطَيْنَاكَ الْكَوْثَرَ
Surely, I ask you to participate in my perpetual act of giving, which is liberal and generous. Become the burning wick that is placed on a stand (the wick of a lamp, or a candle, pulls the fuel to the flame through a capillary action. The perpetual fuel is giving of yourself, together with life experience and comprehension of the Qur'an; physically apply this concept of the universal nourishing, by the establishing of service to humanity and all creation, so you become a burning light, drawing power from this action, a power building upon itself, which is on public display to illuminate the way for others to emulate): a pleasure and delight for your deep inner self. (Soul, or true essence.)
Surah 108: 2 ÙَصَلÙÙ‘ Ù„ÙرَبÙّكَ وَانْØَرْ
This perpetual inner capacity, from one rearing, fostering, and nourishing you, is to separate amongst you, masters of learning and knowledge, from ones who are habitually careless.
Surah 108: 3 Ø¥Ùنَّ شَانÙئَكَ Ù‡ÙÙˆÙŽ الْأَبْتَرÙ
Without doubt, for you it is a great state, a manner of existence that results in permanence; for ones aspiring and ambitious for it. The ones who sever ties with this concept, will exist like slaves!
Abdun Nur
http://servantofthelight.com/content/view/95/126/
Badar
2009/8/6 Badar Kanwar <badar.kanwar2@gmail.com>
Muhtaram Bhai Jee, Thanks. I will email you more to post. No desire at all for an honor from mortals. Only wish and desire is two words of appreciation from only immortal, my Rubb, if and when we meet.
Badar
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:10 PM, SHABBIR AHMED <drshabbir@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Muhtaram Bhai Jee,
I will follow your instructions after checking with Ashi this evening.
Oh, she is here and says that your observation is correct.
You said right. My name makes things more acceptable for people at this time. Soon they will come to honor your name as well. That's what we want.
:-)
www.ourbeacon.com
www.youtube.com/DrShabbir1
http://www.ourbeacon.com/cgi-bin/bbs60x/webbbs_config.pl?
--- On Thu, 8/6/09, Badar Kanwar <badar.kanwar2@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Badar Kanwar <badar.kanwar2@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Creation of Two stickies at ourbeacon forum
To: "SHABBIR AHMED" <drshabbir@bellsouth.net>
Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 12:23 PM
Mutharam Bhai Shaib, I tried posting some more translation to the sticky. I get a message only moderator can post here. Is there anyway for me to post? Or shall keep sending it to you?
Badar
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:46 PM, SHABBIR AHMED <drshabbir@bellsouth.net> wrote:
OK, respected Bhai Saheb!
When I post it, it will show my name. When you post it, it will show yours.
Anyhow, I am doing it right now. Brother Abdun Nur is a brilliant, gifted gentleman.
May Allah increase us in knowledge!
SA
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--- On Mon, 8/3/09, Badar Kanwar <badar.kanwar2@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Badar Kanwar <badar.kanwar2@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Creation of Two stickies at ourbeacon forum
To: "SHABBIR AHMED" <drshabbir@bellsouth.net>
Cc: "Khalid Naseer" <khalidnaseer1@gmail.com>, abdun@hotmail.co.uk
Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 11:43 AM
Thanks Muhtaram Bhai Gee. I missed it, likely because it is under your name. Which is good and even better. Could you please create another one with just the heading "Critique methodology Abdun Nur/Badar Kanwar". This is in order to keep two separate. We would continue to add translations to first one. However, if people want to discuss the translation methodolgy, they would not clutter the area dedicated to translation.
Badar
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:17 AM, SHABBIR AHMED <drshabbir@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Muhtaram Bhai Gee,
Here it is:
http://ourbeacon.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1737
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Linguistic understanding of Al-Qur’an
second title/heading
Discussion/critique of linguistic understanding of Al-Qur'an
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Linguistic understanding of Al-Qur’an
The true purpose of the broad message in Al Qur’an, being the same message expressed within the original accounts of preceding scriptures, was to liberate humans from all oppressions, including mental oppression.
Our Creator communicates with us, and want us to be able to transform ourselves and those around us from state to state, through the following of those direct communication, presenting Allah’s guiding principles, comprehensively detailed within the Qur‘an.
However, throughout human history; people have ignored truth, suffering, exploitation, and actively want to create barriers between all human beings, for their own selfish advantage, so to this end, confusing the truths of the Creator, for the sake of their own power and status, to dominate those around them.
In early human history, the only form of communication, and so transfer of information, was through oral traditions. Speech can be understood as sound symbols representing the transfer of knowledge. However, the sound of spoken word dies as soon as they have been uttered. Hence, verbal communication is subject to alteration and can never be reliable.
Later on humans learned to preserve sound symbols on paper in the form script, so it became less likely that the scripted messages would alter. However, revision, corruptions and additions transformed scriptures over time, as the powerful use their influence and positions of trust.
This direct revision could not be employed against the Qur’an, so a new route had to be established.
It is a natural phenomenon that all spoken language changes over time, so the people who want to continue their oppressive control can capitalize on this phenomenon. This may occur, deliberately or subtly, without most people realizing it.
This slow transformation happened to the original Qur’anic Arabic language, the original spoken Quran, from the tongue of the Rasul into the established script technique of that time.
Natural changes in language, both intentional and unintentional, and rapid expansion of the message beyond the boundaries of Mekkah and Medina, in whose language the verbal message’s source scripture was preserved, made it difficult to conserve the exact meanings depicted in the script, and gradually the message was degraded, until finally lost again.
Luckily, the original script is preserved, and the rules and meanings of the script and writing techniques were well preserved by great Arabic scholars, and later translated by great linguists from Arabic to other languages. These Arabic books and translations have been greatly ignored, or more significantly, have been out of the reach of most common people.
Recent, with the explosion of communication tools in the form of electronic media and internet has put these books again in the hands of common people. These common people can potentially get back to the real message, by utilising these tools.
The original Qur’anic Arabic can be studied as a scientific discipline, when the correct rules are applied to Quranic text, these principles bring forth an understanding, completely different from the conventional one. Like any other old script, one has to go back in time to understand the writing technique used at the time, so uncover the real message preserved by original scribes.
Following are only some of the reasons to look at the script in a scientific manner.
It is hard to believe that meanings rendered are completely error free, otherwise we would have had no discrepancy.
The language is corrupted/changed naturally or deliberately through rational phenomenon of language evolution, and so requires a comprehensive re-evaluation to uncover real meanings of the message. Self evidently, a collective effort would be better and more fruitful than an individual effort.
It is always helpful to keep an mind open to dissenters, this helps to avoid exchanging one corruption for just another’s preconceived notions.
By diversifying the group one can use group wisdom, a very powerful tool.
Using an open internet model helps to keep individual anonymity, if they desire, but still contribute in a positive manner.
Therefore, it was requested to Respected Dr. Shabbir, that we use the great platform of ourbeacon.com, to launch this unbiased, scientific and linguistic understanding of this greatest message of all time.
Two sticky links are being created on this site. One for open discussion using scientific tools, and other one to compose the translation which will continue to evolve with the help of all contributors: who are willing to spend time utilizing all the scientific tools, without getting stuck to the presumed meanings? It is hoped that this method will lead to a common understanding based on research and confirmations, a real means of acquiring knowledge and belief.
A mirror image of this whole project will be maintained at http://servantofthelight.com/
Nothing could be more convincing than an example.
بÙسْم٠اللَّه٠الرَّØْمَن٠الرَّØÙيمÙ
A foundation (a heart, Arabs used to believe as first part that comes into existence in womb) for mankind, from one who is not your illah. The ample and easy state of life that mankind can not conceive by themselves, from your sustainer and maintainer. The greatest mercy: from him.
الْØَمْد٠لÙلَّه٠رَبÙÙ‘ الْعَالَمÙينَ
The decree: for all width and breath of land, on account of one who is not your illah. One rearing, fostering, nourishing and accomplishing all created beings, capable of acquiring knowledge.
الرَّØْمَن٠الرَّØÙيمÙ
The ample and easy state of life, that mankind can not think by themselves, from your sustainer and maintainer. The greatest mercy: from him.
مَالÙك٠يَوْم٠الدÙّين
This greatest mercy of his shall possess any era that shall have laws and principles of this Qur’an as its ultimate constitution.
Ø¥Ùيَّاكَ نَعْبÙد٠وَإÙيَّاكَ نَسْتَعÙينÙ
I direct myself to show ultimate and sole devotion to this constitution and in addition to directing myself, shall direct all created beings to this as it is prescribed for all.
اهْدÙنَا الصÙّرَاطَ الْمÙسْتَقÙيمَ
This will guide you to the way which is original and most straight, undeviating and unceasing.
صÙرَاطَ الَّذÙينَ أَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهÙمْ غَيْر٠الْمَغْضÙوب٠عَلَيْهÙمْ ÙˆÙŽ
لا الضَّالÙّينَ
This original way will make your life easy and pleasant. I have set a banner and a standard for you to avoid irreparable damage to yourselves, and so be not confounded and perplexed, unable to see the right course.
Abdun Nur
Badar Kanwar
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--- On Sun, 8/2/09, Badar Kanwar <badar.kanwar2@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Badar Kanwar <badar.kanwar2@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Creation of Two stickies at ourbeacon forum
To: "SHABBIR AHMED" <drshabbir@bellsouth.net>
Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 1:46 PM
Muhtaram Bhai Gee, I replied before checking the forum. However, I am unable to find on either forums at ourbeacon site.
Badar
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Badar Kanwar <badar.kanwar2@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Bhahi Gee, may Rubb give appropriate reward to you for your intended efforts. Indeed he is, certainly more than me. In addition his intentions so far are unquestionable, a rare combination.
Badar
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:32 PM, SHABBIR AHMED <drshabbir@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Bhai Jee Muhtaram,
Done!
Isn't Abdun Nur a genius?
SA
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--- On Mon, 7/27/09, Badar Kanwar <badar.kanwar2@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Badar Kanwar <badar.kanwar2@gmail.com>
Subject: Creation of Two stickies at ourbeacon forum
To: drshabbir@bellsouth.net
Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 2:45 PM
Muthram Bhai Gee Salaam.
Attached is a write up for one sticky. Heading
Linguistic understanding of Al-Qur’an
second title/heading
Discussion/critique of linguistic understanding of Al-Qur'an
Please create a second stick with above heading only so participants can comments. I will keep adding to Al-Fathia further Suras as I understand time permits. Until you are able to join hand to give it a turbo charge.
May Rubb bless you more and give strength to continue in the cause further.
Your brother,
Badar
Wassalam,
SA
SA