THE JEWISH CLAIM TO PALESTINE! IS IT TRUE?

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THE JEWISH CLAIM TO PALESTINE! IS IT TRUE?

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Ahmed Moosa,
Wed, May 12 at 4:35 AM
Good morning Mr. Editor,

I trust you are well. Can you please allow me to write this in your letters column, so that the readers can decide for themselves the
facts as presented.

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Ahmed Moosa.

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THE JEWISH CLAIM TO PALESTINE! IS IT TRUE?

Christians have overlooked the fact that Jesus was born and lived in PALESTINE! JESUS WAS A PALESTINIAN! The Jews hated Jesus and tried their utmost to kill him! That is why they want to eliminate all Palestinians by killing them off only because of their hatred of Jesus who exposed their evil deeds and cursed them!

The Jewish claim is based on the Taurât (Torah) of 916 AD* and so we examine to see if this claim is valid or not. *MANUSCRIPTS. There are no very ancient MMS of the Hebrew Bible, and of such as have come down to us all belong to the same family or recension. The earliest dated Hebrew manuscript known was written in 9.16 A.D. [The Holy Bible.1959 Edition. Virtue & Company Limited, London. Edited by: Reverend John P. Connell. (M.A.; S.T.D). Published with the approbation of HIS EMINENCE SAMUEL CARDINAL STRITCH, Archbishop of Chicago]*

It is claimed by the Jews that they have a lineage with the Prophet Abraham and the covenant was made between God and Abraham that his children from Isaac, which will inherit the land of Palestine. The Jews very conveniently overlook the fact that Abraham and his children were not Jews, nor were there Jews in existence during his lifetime, and Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, as there were no Jews born yet!

The Jews allowed the pagan Greeks to influence them with the reconstruction of the Old Testament. Paul Johnson in his book states:

“The transformation of Judaism into the first ‘religion of the Book’ took two centuries. Before 400 BC there is no hint of a canon. By 200 BC, it was there. Of course the canon was not yet complete and final.”[1]

The Jews cite the following verse from their Old Testament in support of their claim:

Genesis17:8: “And I will give unto thee, (Abraham) and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

That in a nut shell is the claim.

The facts are as follows:

1. Prophet Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian[2]. Judaism and Christianity came centuries after him. The name Israel was given to Jacob by God, Abraham’s son Isaac, according to the Bible, and his direct descendants were called as the Children of Israel.
2. The At-Taurât (Jews call it Torah) which was revealed to Prophet Moses in the Egyptian Arabic Language is not what was created in 916 AD in a language – Hebrew - which is foreign to Moses, and which is followed today by the Jews and Christians; although the Christians adhere more to the New than the Old Testament. The Jews and Christians claim that the original language that Moses spoke, and in which he received the Taurât was in Hebrew – this fact alone nullifies the Jewish and Christian claim.
3. According to the Jews they are the only ones to have the right to the land, as they claim that the Arabs are not the true children of Abraham. This is not true, as one father’s children cannot comprise two different nations. A man having two or more wives bearing his children will keep the name and nationality of the father, as the sperm of the father determines the lineage, and the tribe will remain one. So the claim of two separate nations is not true.
4. For anyone/ or group to put forth any claim; evidence is required, and in support of the Jewish claim the Taurât (Torah) is submitted as their evidence and so it must be examined.
a. It is accepted by all three religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) that Prophet Moses was cast into the river by his mother to save him from being killed by Pharaoh. (Muslims call him Mûsâ). He was rescued and brought up in the household of his enemy, Pharaoh, the monarch of Egypt. His mother was then employed to breast feed him. That is not disputed by any of the three religious groups.
b. The Children of Israel were in bondage of the Egyptians for many centuries before the time of Moses. Remember that they had come to Egypt since the time of Prophet Joseph with his brothers and parents.
c. Now the fact they were in bondage for so long, (historical evidence suggests four centuries) and being a minority group in Egypt, they must have adopted many of the traits of the Egyptians, and most of all they must have been speaking the Egyptian language, by which they communicated with their masters.

d. This is evident even today in South America where the Spanish colonized: in Africa where the Italians, French and English colonized. E.g. in Cape Town we see that the Afrikaans language spoken here is a dialect of the Dutch Indonesians. Moses must have learnt and spoken the Egyptian language in Pharaoh’s palace where he grew up from a baby, as Pharaoh would never have spoken a slave language in his house. That is a fact that cannot be disputed by anyone. It is also known from history that the Children of Israel had to switch languages many times. Therefore, they did not speak “Hebrew” during the time of Moses which was only completed as a language in the 10th century AD. Furthermore, God’s revelation could not have been in a language that was incomplete! That also cannot be disputed!

The Arabic Glorious Quran states:

14-4. “Allâh sent not an apostle except (to teach) in the language of his own people, in order to make (things) clear to them. Allâh leaves straying those whom He pleases (because they refuse the guidance) and guides whom He pleases (those who wish to be guided): and Allâh is Exalted in power, full of Wisdom.”

14-5. “We sent Moses with Our Signs (and the command).”Bring out thy people from the depths of darkness into light, and teach them to remember the days of Allâh. Verily in this there are signs for such as are firmly patient and constant, - grateful and appreciative.”

So Moses must have spoken the Egyptian Arabic Language, as he was brought up in Pharaoh’s house and the Taurat was revealed in the Egyptian Arabic language. Even today, more than 6,000 years later all Egyptians, Christians and Muslims speak Arabic.

Chap 5- verse 78. “Curses were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected Faith, by the tongue of David and of Jesus the son of Mary: because they disobeyed and persisted in excesses.”

The Arabic Glorious Quran states:

3-65. “Ye people of the Book! (Jews and Christians), why dispute you about Abraham, when the Law and the Gospel were not revealed till after him? Have ye no understanding?”

3-67. “Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allâh’s (submitted his will to Allâh, -in Arabic means Islam), and he joined not gods with Allâh.”

The Protestant New Bible Dictionary concurs:

“A further implication is that Moses would have an Egyptian education, one of the best available in his day.” The Protestant New Bible Dictionary 1988, p. 305.

‘Pharaoh would never have spoken with him in the language of the slaves!’ That is undisputed even by the Protestants, whose Old Testament (produced in the 16th Century) which the Jews use. Even if we want to agree that Prophet Moses spoke “Hebrew” (which is impossible due to the evidence already submitted) then we must also agree that the communication with Pharaoh must have been in the Egyptian language, and that the message that was revealed to him by God must have been in the language of Pharaoh, i.e. Egyptian Arabic. Therefore, there is no ORIGINAL Taurât (Old Testament) in the world! One must keep in mind that Prophet Moses’ brother Haroon must also have spoken the Egyptian language. The Children of Israel were the slaves of the Pharaohs for more than 400 years. Consequently, it could therefore have been possible that they could no longer have spoken their own mother tongue, which could have been the reason that they had to speak some dialect of the Egyptians. It is important to know that Hebrew is a Greek word (See Peake’s Commentary on the Bible 1919, p. 34; and also stated in the old Oxford Dictionaries) and not a word belonging to a language of the Children of Israel. This leaves us with the question, as to whether Moses could have been the author of any part of the Hebrew Old Testament.

According to John Allegro in his book – ‘The Secretes of the Dead Sea Scrolls’, he states:

The ‘Sons of Darkness’ were the offspring of the Greeks who raped the women of the Children of Israel. After the (pagan) Greeks caused the rejection of those people who came into existence as a result of their raping, who were known as the ‘Sons of Darkness’; then came the (pagan) Romans – another nation of the (pagan) Europeans, who then also raped the women of the ‘Sons of Darkness’, and their offspring became known as the ‘Jews.’) (Deut: 23 -2: A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD)

The conclusion of John Allegro is supported in the Arabic Glorious Quran in Chapter 17, aptly titled ‘Bani Israel’:

17-4. “And Allâh gave clear warnings to the Children of Israel in the Book, that twice would they do mischief on the earth and be elated with mighty arrogance and twice would they be punished!”

17-5. “When the first of the warnings came to pass, Allâh sent against you Our servants given to terrible warfare: they entered the very in most parts of your homes; and it was a warning (completely) fulfilled.” (Apparently refers to the Greeks conquest and raping’s-Children of Darkness came into existence)

17-6. “Then did Allâh grant you the return as against them: Allâh gave you increase in resources and sons, and made you the more numerous in man-power.”

17-7. “If ye did well, ye did well for yourselves; if ye did evil, ye did it against yourselves. So when the second of the warnings came to pass, Allâh permitted your enemies-(refers apparently to the Romans who did the same type of destruction and raping’s-then only the Jews came into existence) to disfigure your faces, and to enter your Temple as they had entered it before, and to visit with destruction all that fell into their power.”

17-8. “It may be that your Lord may yet show Mercy unto you; but if ye revert to your sins, Allâh shall revert to His punishments: and Allâh has made Hell a prison for those who reject all faith).”

(Are the Jews not doing the same evil again to the Palestinians for the last 60 years, and do they not deserve the same punishment again?)

Based on the above facts and arguments one has to truthfully conclude that as there is no ORIGINAL AT-TAURÂT to back up the claims of the Jews / Zionists of today to Palestine.

If one were to claim support for the Jews from the New Testament, then, therein also one finds no support because once again the language that Jesus spoke nullifies their claims: According to the Catholic Bible (1959), the language Jesus spoke is ARAMAIC which was the spoken language in Galilee at that time.

“...No contemporary literary remains of this dialect, [Aramaic] remains, we cannot determine precisely the dialect He spoke.” (J. P. O’Connell, et al. The Holy Family Bible Holy Family Edition of the Catholic Bible, from a Practical Dictionary of Biblical and General Catholic Information, Virtue and Company Limited: London, 1959, p. 30.)

This is a very brief analysis: please refer to the Quran for the full evidence about the Jewish history and their nefarious activities. In conclusion, we quote a few more verses from the Arabic Glorious Quran:

2-140. “Or do ye say that Abraham, Isma'il Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: do ye know better than Allâh. Ah! who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allâh , but Allâh is not unmindful of what ye do!”

3-65. “Ye people of the Book! (Jews and Christians), why dispute ye about Abraham, when the Law and the Gospel were not revealed till after him? Have ye no understanding?”

3-67. “Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allâh’s (which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allâh.”

3-68. “Without doubt, among men, the nearest of kin to Abraham, are those who follow him, as are also this Messenger (Muhammad) and those who believe (Muslims): and Allâh is the Protector of those who have Faith.”

3-84. Say: "We believe in Allâh , and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord: we make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allâh do we bow Our will (in Islam)."

3-95. Say: "Allâh speaketh the truth: follow the Religion of Abraham, the sane in faith; he was not of the Pagans."

19-41. “Also mention in the Book (the story of) Abraham: He was a man of truth, a prophet.”

The Jews must pay heed to this warning that their term is drawing near to the punishment:

46-3. “Allâh created not the heavens and the earth and all between them but for just ends, and for a term appointed: but those who reject Faith turn away from that whereof they are warned.”

Look at their evil deeds:

2-92. “There came to you Moses with Clear (Signs); yet ye worshipped the calf even after that, and ye did behave wrongfully.”

2-93. “And remember Allâh took your Covenant and Allâh raised above you (the towering height) of Mount (Sinai): (Saying): "Hold firmly to what Allâh have given you, and hearken (to the Law)": They said:" we hear, and we disobey:" and they had to drink into their hearts (of the taint) of the calf because of their Faithlessness. Say: "Vile indeed are the behests of your Faith if ye have any faith!"

The Jews want to live forever:

2-94. Say: “If the Last Home, with Allâh, be for you Jews specially, and not for anyone else, then seek ye for death, if ye are sincere.”

2-95. “But they (the Jews) will never seek for death, on account of the (sins) which their hands have sent on before them, and Allâh is well-acquainted with the wrong-doers.”

2-96. “Thou wilt indeed find them (the Jews), of all people, most greedy of life,-even more than the idolaters: Each one of them wishes he/she could be given a life of a thousand years: but the grant of such life will not save him/her from (due) punishment, for Allâh sees well all that they do.”

SHAW, GEORGE BERNARD.

A genius of the 20th century and British dramatist. “This is the real enemy, the invader from the East, the Druze, the ruffian, the oriental parasite; in a word: the Jew.” (London Morning Post, December 3, 1925) “This craving for bouquets by Jews is a symptom of racial degeneration. The Jews are worse than my own people. Those Jews who still want to be the chosen race (chosen by the late Lord Balfour) can go to Palestine and stew in their own juice. The rest had better stop being Jews and start being human beings.” (Literary Digest, October 12, 1932)
GREGORY IX. (1227-1241). Condemned the TALMUD as containing “every kind of vileness and blasphemy against Christian doctrine.
GREGORY VIII. (1187) Forbade Jews to have power over Christians, in a letter to Alfonso VI of Castile.
GREGORY IX. (1227-1241). Condemned the TALMUD as containing “every kind of vileness and blasphemy against Christian doctrine.”
JULIUS III. Contra Hebreos retinentes libros (1554) ordered the TALMUD burned “everywhere” and established a strict censorship over Jewish genocidal writings - an order that has never been rescinded and which presumably is still binding upon Catholics. Was a powerful condemnation of Jewish usury? It embodies a model legal code to curb Jewish power that was recommended to all communities.
PIUS IV. Condemned Jewish genocidal writings.
PIUS V. Hebraeorum gens (1569) expelled all Jews from the Papal States.
GREGORY XIII. Declared that Jews “continue to plot horrible crimes” against Christians “with daily increasing audacity.”
POPE CLEMENT VIII (1592-1605)
“All people of the world suffer from the usury of the Jews, their monopolies and deceit. They have brought many unfortunate people into a state of poverty, especially the farmers, working class people and the very poor. Then as now Jews have to be reminded intermittently anew that they were enjoying rights in any country since they left Palestine and the Arabian Desert, and subsequently their ethical and moral doctrines as well as their deeds rightly deserve to be exposed to criticism in whatever country they happen to live.”

According to the New Testament Jesus called the Jews as Serpents:

"Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?" (Matthew 23:33)

Even according to their own Scriptures Moses has cursed them:

“But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all His commandments and His statutes which I command thee this day, that all these curses shall come upon thee and overtake thee: cursed shalt thou be in the city and cursed shalt thou be in the field, cursed shall be thy basket and thy store. Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine and the flocks of thy sheep. Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out” (Deuteronomy 28:15–19). After enumerating the curses of the Lord, His sending upon them “cursing, vexation, and rebuke”, His making the pestilence “cleave” to them, His smiting them with “a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting ... and the botch of Egypt ... and madness and blindness”, the curses of men are thus spoken of: “Thou shalt go out one way against them and flee seven ways before them”, “thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore”, “thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build a house, and thou shalt not dwell therein”, “thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people ... the fruit of thy land and all thy labours shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed always” (Deuteronomy 28:20–68).

Consequently the Israeli / Jewish claim to Palestine is based on false premises.

“Aramaic was a poverty-stricken tongue compared with Arabic and not even classical Hebrew at its best could rival Arabic in its astonishing elasticity. From its own inner resources it could evolve by autogenous processes the mot juste (i.e. ‘Exactly the right word or words to express something’) which new arts and new sciences demanded for their intellectual expression.” ‘The Legacy of Islam Edited by the late SIR THOMAS ARNOLD C.I.E., F.B.A., Litt.D. and ALFRED GUILLAUME M.A. Oxon., Principal of Culham College Formerly Professor of Oriental Languages in the University of Durham’

According to Peake the word Hebrew is a Greek word: See Peake’s Commentary on the Bible 1919, p. 34. [Professor Arthur S. Peake. Rylands Professor of Biblical exegesis in the University of Manchester; Prof. In Hartley College, Manchester; Sometime fellow of Merton College, Oxford. Printed by Thomas Nelson & sons Ltd of London].

Even according to their own Scriptures Moses has cursed them:

“But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all His commandments and His statutes which I command thee this day, that all these curses shall come upon thee and overtake thee: cursed shalt thou be in the city and cursed shalt thou be in the field, cursed shall be thy basket and thy store. Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine and the flocks of thy sheep. Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out” (Deuteronomy 28:15–19). After enumerating the curses of the Lord, His sending upon them “cursing, vexation, and rebuke”, His making the pestilence “cleave” to them, His smiting them with “a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting ... and the botch of Egypt ... and madness and blindness”, the curses of men are thus spoken of: “Thou shalt go out one way against them and flee seven ways before them”, “thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore”, “thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build a house, and thou shalt not dwell therein”, “thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people ... the fruit of thy land and all thy labours shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed always” (Deuteronomy 28:20–68).

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Ahmed Moosa

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[1] : H.J., p. 95.

[2] Qur’an- Chapter 2 v 140: “Or do ye say that Abraham, Isma'il Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: do ye know better than Allah. Ah! Who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah. But Allah is not unmindful of what ye do!” Qur’an – Chapter 3 v 67: “Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but He was true In Faith, and bowed His will to Allâh’s (which is Islam), and He joined not gods with Allah.”
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The Bible and Rabbinical Jewish message regarding lands promised to them by G_d was that they remain obedient to Him. When they followed other gods as well as arrogantly assuming they knew/know better than G_d, He used other means to destroy/exile them.

Rabbinical orthodox Jews know full well that the last 2000years of exile were due to the Jews becoming arrogant and disobedient and they await the time that G_d will forgive them, send His Messiah to unite the Tribes of Israel and establish once more a Jewish State.

The modern state of Israel is an arrogant Zionist attempt at creating a secular state, not a Jewish one, albeit where Jews can live in their homeland, and trying to get G_d to hurry up and do what He said He would do.

G_d is not a man that He should follow the deviated ways of man and those supporting a secular Jewish state are not humbling themselves to Him, so that is why they will have stones thrown at them against them, they are have become the goyem Goliath, a perverted people and G-d-less state, and we all know what happened before.

The Qur'an states that Jews were to inherit the lands before them BUT only if they remain faithful to Elohim, El, Ella, Allah, and we all know this has not happened and they are undeserving of lands. Again, evicting and killing Philistines is easy for them for they "go a whoring" to use Biblical language which they may understand better!

5:20 Recall when Moses said, “O My people! Remember God's blessings that He raised Prophets among you and made you your own masters. And He gave you what He had not given to any other people.
5:21 O My people! Enter the Sacred Land that God has decreed for you, as long as you hold fast to His laws. But, if you turn back in flight, you will be overthrown to your own ruin.”
[Sacred Land = Can’aan = Syria-Palestine, 2:125, 6:137, 12:58, 12:94, 21:71, 23:50, 26:59, 29:26, 30:3, 44:3, Introduction to Surahs: 12, 14, 19]
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The Kingdom of Israel is wiped out due to the transgression of its later generations.

17:4-5 And We decreed to the Children of Israel in the Book, that you will make corruption twice on the earth, and that you will become very high and mighty. So, when the promise of the first one comes to pass, We would send against you servants of Ours who are very powerful, thus they managed to breach your very homes, and this was a promise which has come to pass.

The Children of Israel, gain power and influence more than ever and regroup into one place.

17:6 Then We gave back to you your independence from them, and We supplied you with wealth and sons, and We made you more influential.

17:104 And We said after him to the Children of Israel: “Dwell on the earth, then, when the time of the second promise comes, We will bring you all together as a mixed crowd.”

The prophesized rise to power and regrouping of the Children of Israel came to fulfillment in 1948 with the declaration of the “State of Israel”. This is the first time since the Exodus, and the second time since the Kingdom of Israel, that a large mass of the Children of Israel has come together in one place.

The end of “new Israel” will come at the hands of those who are Monotheists, as they will retake the Temple as they had done centuries ago.

17:7 If you do good, then it will be good for you, and if you do bad, then so be it. But when the promise of the second time comes, they will make your faces filled with sorrow and they will enter the Temple as they did the first time, and they will strike down all that was raised up.

The sad truth for the Children of Israel is, as their rise to power and gathering has been prophesized in the final Scripture over 1,400 years ago – so has their undeniable end and destruction. The ungodly actions of the Children of Israel - coinciding with this second rise of power - have ensured that their fate is sealed and that God’s system is moving towards events that will bring about this end.
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17:4 We had informed the Children of Israel in the Scripture, "Surely, you will work corruption on the earth twice, and show great arrogance and tyranny.”
17:5 When the first of the warnings came to pass, We sent against you Our servants of great might (armies of Nimrod Nebuchadnezzar, the King of Babylon) who ravaged your country, a warning fulfilled (and took you to Babylon as slaves in 586 BC).
17:6 Then, We granted you victory over them (when King Cyrus of Persia defeated the Babylonians and brought you back to your country in 520 BC). We then, helped you with wealth and children and made you numerous in soldiery.
17:7 We made it clear, “If you do collective good, you will be doing good to yourselves. And if you do evil, you will hurt yourselves. (You did not heed these warnings), and then the second warning came to pass. [The Roman General Titus invaded Jerusalem in 70 CE. His armies entered the Temple and destroyed everything they conquered completely, just as the Babylonians had done before]

Reading the next verses we find that the second corruption was not the 1947 Israel state, but the one that preceded the Roman destruction of Jerusalem. They rejected Jesus who came to put them back on the right track so they were corrupt and exiled from their 'promised land'.

The 1947 idea stems from the Bukharian mulla-gods who invented a new religious cult which says that everything that manifests itself on the earth is a sign of the end times. They have invented one sign after another based on past experiences of man's inhumanity to man, added natural events like earthquakes and volcanoes into the mix, and so linked 1947 to the Qur'anic verse.

End timers predictions and fulfilments and the destruction of Israel at the hands of monotheists are a joke, happy waiting.
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